The Lies (and misconceptions) of the "'truth' movement"

Intro (scroll down for entries)

I readily admit that I have no doubts that most members of the “truth movement” sincerely believe all the nonsense that they spout. I even think that most of the “leaders” of the movement, the ones who run the sites and write the books make the videos etc believe all of what they purport. However far too many of them present the facts in a less than honest fashion: quotes are taken out of context, contrary information omitted, rumors are reported as fact etc, others are too blinded by their preconceived notions to see the fallacies of their theories. I did want a blog title that would garner attention and ‘The Misconceptions of the Truth Movement’ just wouldn’t have the same ring to it.

I will address specific errors made by leading “truthers” in this blog and will erase any generic replies that have nothing to do with the entry topic. In other words if the entry is about Amanda Keller contradicting herself replies going on about the debris from flight 93 or Silverstein’s “pull it" comment etc. etc. will be deleted. Personal attacks and insults whether directed at me or other commenters, whether made by “truthers” or “debunkers” will be deleted as well.

Thursday, November 4, 2010

My e-mail exchange with Duff

I sent Duff the link to the post above. The following e-mail exchange ensued. Other than correcting 1 typo and redacting our e-mail addresses I changed nothing. The times are my time, i.e. 1 hour ahead of EST and 3 hours behind GMT:

From: Gpduf@xxxxxx

Subject: Re: Gordon Duff another truther whack-a-loon and coward
To: lenxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 6:12 PM

Hey Len

We have 400,000 subscribers. THEY HATE YOU

Live with it or go back to...wherever it is that traitors live.

You make my day. Keep squirming



Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:01 PM

From: "len" xxxxxx


You think, they hate me Duff? Most don't know who I am because you keep censoring my posts. What are you afraid of? Them finding out that you make stuff up? I do not believe you really have direct knowledge of Abdulmutallab dad's ties to the Mossad because if you did you would have said so rather than cite articles that didn't back your claims.

So I wonder if you lied about that what else have you lied about? As for your claim to have regularly appeared on TV what else is there besides being interviewed once by Russian TV and another time by a Pakistani station? How much of your claimed bio is true? I have a challenge for you spell out you bio in detail including the dates, ranks and units of your service and the dates, titles and locations of your post military career and provide some documentation.

Oh and I don't believe your claim to "have 400,000 subscribers" even at the height of the truther storm 9/11 Blogger only claimed to be "getting about 5,000 unique hits a day," and a newspaper selling that many print copies would be 12 in US circulation.

And why exactly am I a traitor? Is it just because I question your dubious claims?


Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:04 PM

From: "len " xxxxxxx


Oh and one more thing I consider the content of our e-mails fodder for my blog, i.e. I might post all or part of their contents.


Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:10 PM

From: "Gpduf@xxxxxx"

To: lenxxxxxx

Please do

but first you should get an education

go to the yellow pages

look under schools

find one near your home

very near as you might become frightened or lost

contact them and see if you qualify to attend

have a nice day, i certainly will



Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:20 PM

From: "Gpduf@xxxxxx"

To: lenxxxxxx

Oh, you are that idiot.

You have had your 1 minute.

You are a time waster with bad manners. You simply don't matter. The world is full of people with problem like yours.

The rest of us don't have time for you.



Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:38 PM



Actually I was polite till you started censoring me. You think I need to go back to school? You crack me up, you seem to have serious reading comprehension problems or did you post those links knowing they did not back your claims?

Tuesday, November 2, 2010

Gordon Duff another truther whack-a-loon and coward

Gordon Duff a truther blogger who thinks he is a journalist but makes little effort to hide his anti-Semitism claimed in a recent post on his site Veterans Today that Israel was behind the package bombs from Yemen . Typically he provided close to zero citations and when he did they didn't back his claims. Referring to the "crotch bomber" he wrote:

Worse still, the “terrorists” father, described by the press as a “Muslim banker” turned out to be a partner in an Israeli managed defense company and a close friend of the CIA

He provided no citations but did in an earlier post

We do know a couple of things. Dad, back in Nigeria, ran the national arms industry (DICON) in partnership with Israel, in particular, the Mossad. He was in daily contact with them. They run everything in Nigeria, from arms production to counter-terrorism. Though Islamic, Muttalab was a close associate of Israel

According to the first embedded link

He started his working career in 1965 as a Management Accountant with Fuller Jenks Beecroft & Co in London.

He also served as Chief Accountant/Acting General Manager, Defence Industries Corporation in Kaduna. He was also the Financial Controller of the company.

He rose to become the General Manager, New Nigeria Development Company Limited (NNDC) from 1968 to 1975.

The article never said he "ran" the company or that it was "the national arms industry". According to this article it only produced ammunition at the time. Since he was only 25 - 28 I doubt he held such a powerful position.

Here is the 2nd linked article in its entirety:

Nigeria: Lawmakers Divided Over Mossad - FG Link

Tashikalmah Hallah and Francis Okeke 5 September 2008

Members of the National Assembly have expressed different opinions on the alleged invitation of Israeli intelligence agency to train the country's security operations under a secret security pact.

Former Chairman House of Representatives Committee on National Security and Intelligence, Rep Abdullahi Farouk (PDP, Kebbi State), said Nigeria does not need Mossad or any foreign intelligence organisation to train the country's security agents because Nigeria has the best security training institution in the country.

Note that:

· this was 40 years after Mutallab left DICON

· Neither he nor the company were mentioned

· The proposal was described as an "alleged invitation"

· It did not sound like it would be approved

· There was no mention of any actual collaboration between Nigeria and the Mossad.

I posted the above to Duff's website except I removed the parts about him being a loon, pseudo journalist and anti-Semite and changed it to 2nd person. I was very polite I even addressed him as "Mr. Duff". He replied

Academics use citations. Journalist use sources. If you have sources, tell me what year I began advising the government of Nigeria in areas of security? My experience with all you discuss is personal and first hand.

According to his bio on his site:

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic officer of UN humanitarian groups. Gordon Duff's articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest.

So I replied:

Well if what you claim were true why didn’t you cite your “personal and first hand” knowledge of what you wrote about rather than articles that did NOT support you claims? Fill us in prey tell on your supposed experience “advising the government of Nigeria in areas of security”, when and for whom did you work? Did this experience give you direct knowledge of Mutallab running “the national arms industry (DICON) in partnership with Israel, in particular, the Mossad”? If he ran the company after 1968 why did the article indicate otherwise? On and now that we are on the subject of you bio, care to provide any specifics? Dates, locations, units and ranks for the USMC, companies/organizations, locations and dates for your post military career.

He then deleted my replies, so I posted them again, he then deleted my posts again and his responses to them but not before I got a screen print (see below). Funny how truthers who complain about being shut out by the "MSM" shut dissenting voices out of their blogs, forums and websites, but it seems what really bothered him was my questioning his claimed credentials. So I imagine that much of his bio is Walter Mitty, the part about him being “regularly on TV and radio” is a bit of an exaggeration unless you count internet radio and public access cable. I only found two TV appearances on Google Video one was on kook friendly Russia Today and the other was on a station in Pakistan and I didn’t find any radio interviews from broadcast radio.