My e-mail exchange with Duff

I sent Duff the link to the post above. The following e-mail exchange ensued. Other than correcting 1 typo and redacting our e-mail addresses I changed nothing. The times are my time, i.e. 1 hour ahead of EST and 3 hours behind GMT:

From: Gpduf@xxxxxx

Subject: Re: Gordon Duff another truther whack-a-loon and coward
To: lenxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 6:12 PM

Hey Len

We have 400,000 subscribers. THEY HATE YOU

Live with it or go back to...wherever it is that traitors live.

You make my day. Keep squirming

g

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Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:01 PM

From: "len" xxxxxx

To:Gpduf@xxxxxx

You think, they hate me Duff? Most don't know who I am because you keep censoring my posts. What are you afraid of? Them finding out that you make stuff up? I do not believe you really have direct knowledge of Abdulmutallab dad's ties to the Mossad because if you did you would have said so rather than cite articles that didn't back your claims.

So I wonder if you lied about that what else have you lied about? As for your claim to have regularly appeared on TV what else is there besides being interviewed once by Russian TV and another time by a Pakistani station? How much of your claimed bio is true? I have a challenge for you spell out you bio in detail including the dates, ranks and units of your service and the dates, titles and locations of your post military career and provide some documentation.

Oh and I don't believe your claim to "have 400,000 subscribers" even at the height of the truther storm 9/11 Blogger only claimed to be "getting about 5,000 unique hits a day," and a newspaper selling that many print copies would be 12 in US circulation.

And why exactly am I a traitor? Is it just because I question your dubious claims?

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Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:04 PM

From: "len " xxxxxxx

To:Gpduf@xxxxxx

Oh and one more thing I consider the content of our e-mails fodder for my blog, i.e. I might post all or part of their contents.

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Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:10 PM

From: "Gpduf@xxxxxx"

To: lenxxxxxx

Please do

but first you should get an education

go to the yellow pages

look under schools

find one near your home

very near as you might become frightened or lost

contact them and see if you qualify to attend

have a nice day, i certainly will

g

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Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:20 PM

From: "Gpduf@xxxxxx"

To: lenxxxxxx

Oh, you are that idiot.

You have had your 1 minute.

You are a time waster with bad manners. You simply don't matter. The world is full of people with problem like yours.

The rest of us don't have time for you.

g

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Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:38 PM

From:"len"

To:Gpduf@xxxxxx

Actually I was polite till you started censoring me. You think I need to go back to school? You crack me up, you seem to have serious reading comprehension problems or did you post those links knowing they did not back your claims?

Gordon Duff another truther whack-a-loon and coward

Gordon Duff a truther blogger who thinks he is a journalist but makes little effort to hide his anti-Semitism claimed in a recent post on his site Veterans Today that Israel was behind the package bombs from Yemen . Typically he provided close to zero citations and when he did they didn't back his claims. Referring to the "crotch bomber" he wrote:

Worse still, the “terrorists” father, described by the press as a “Muslim banker” turned out to be a partner in an Israeli managed defense company and a close friend of the CIA

He provided no citations but did in an earlier post

We do know a couple of things. Dad, back in Nigeria, ran the national arms industry (DICON) in partnership with Israel, in particular, the Mossad. He was in daily contact with them. They run everything in Nigeria, from arms production to counter-terrorism. Though Islamic, Muttalab was a close associate of Israel

According to the first embedded link

He started his working career in 1965 as a Management Accountant with Fuller Jenks Beecroft & Co in London.

He also served as Chief Accountant/Acting General Manager, Defence Industries Corporation in Kaduna. He was also the Financial Controller of the company.

He rose to become the General Manager, New Nigeria Development Company Limited (NNDC) from 1968 to 1975.

The article never said he "ran" the company or that it was "the national arms industry". According to this article it only produced ammunition at the time. Since he was only 25 - 28 I doubt he held such a powerful position.

Here is the 2nd linked article in its entirety:

Nigeria: Lawmakers Divided Over Mossad - FG Link

Tashikalmah Hallah and Francis Okeke 5 September 2008


Members of the National Assembly have expressed different opinions on the alleged invitation of Israeli intelligence agency to train the country's security operations under a secret security pact.

Former Chairman House of Representatives Committee on National Security and Intelligence, Rep Abdullahi Farouk (PDP, Kebbi State), said Nigeria does not need Mossad or any foreign intelligence organisation to train the country's security agents because Nigeria has the best security training institution in the country.

Note that:

· this was 40 years after Mutallab left DICON

· Neither he nor the company were mentioned

· The proposal was described as an "alleged invitation"

· It did not sound like it would be approved

· There was no mention of any actual collaboration between Nigeria and the Mossad.

I posted the above to Duff's website except I removed the parts about him being a loon, pseudo journalist and anti-Semite and changed it to 2nd person. I was very polite I even addressed him as "Mr. Duff". He replied

Academics use citations. Journalist use sources. If you have sources, tell me what year I began advising the government of Nigeria in areas of security? My experience with all you discuss is personal and first hand.

According to his bio on his site:

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic officer of UN humanitarian groups. Gordon Duff's articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest.

So I replied:

Well if what you claim were true why didn’t you cite your “personal and first hand” knowledge of what you wrote about rather than articles that did NOT support you claims? Fill us in prey tell on your supposed experience “advising the government of Nigeria in areas of security”, when and for whom did you work? Did this experience give you direct knowledge of Mutallab running “the national arms industry (DICON) in partnership with Israel, in particular, the Mossad”? If he ran the company after 1968 why did the article indicate otherwise? On and now that we are on the subject of you bio, care to provide any specifics? Dates, locations, units and ranks for the USMC, companies/organizations, locations and dates for your post military career.

He then deleted my replies, so I posted them again, he then deleted my posts again and his responses to them but not before I got a screen print (see below). Funny how truthers who complain about being shut out by the "MSM" shut dissenting voices out of their blogs, forums and websites, but it seems what really bothered him was my questioning his claimed credentials. So I imagine that much of his bio is Walter Mitty, the part about him being “regularly on TV and radio” is a bit of an exaggeration unless you count internet radio and public access cable. I only found two TV appearances on Google Video one was on kook friendly Russia Today and the other was on a station in Pakistan and I didn’t find any radio interviews from broadcast radio.

How many errors can a “truther” squeeze into four sentences?

If you are Michael Ruppert the answer is 5 to 6. This is neither new nor directly related to 9/11 but I recently started looking into it and it relates to the credibility of a leading “truther”. The passage below comes from his book Crossing the Rubicon and previously appeared in a From the Wilderness articlehe co-authored entitled “A Career In Microbiology Can Be Harmful To Your Health, POST 9-11 DEATH TOLL MOUNTING AS CONNECTIONS TO DYNCORP, HADRON, PROMIS SOFTWARE AND DISEASE RESEARCH EMERGE”

In 1994, Jose Trias met with a friend in Houston, Texas and was planning to go public with his personal knowledge of HHMI [Howard Hughes Medical Institute] “front door” grants being diverted to “back door” black ops bioresearch. The next day, Trias and his wife were found dead in their Chevy Chase, Md. home. Chevy Chase is where HHMI is headquartered. Police described the killings as a Professional hit.

1) Trias and his wife were not scientists

The article was about the supposed rash of deaths of microbiologists thus one would presume Trias was one or at least a bioscientist / doctor, but he and his wife were both lawyers. Trias and his wife seem to be the only non-biologists amongst the “victims”. I doubt Ruppert simply forgot to tell his readers what Trias’ profession was.

2) “The next day, Trias and his wife were found dead”

Trias and Julie Gilbert, his wife, were found on Monday, May 16, 1994, they were last seen alive the afternoon of Saturday the 14th “Police estimate that they died between 9 p.m. May 14 and 9 a.m. Sunday”

3), 4)“…dead in their Chevy Chase, Md. home”

They lived in Bethesda but were found dead in their weekend home near Annapolis.

5) “Police described the killings as a Professional hit.”

This is the most significant error and the one most indicative of an attempt to mislead. The earliest newspaper articles and all subsequent ones indicated robbery was the suspected motive. Most also mentioned that one of the couples Acura Legends was missing. Police quickly identified and arrested the culprit, Scotland Eugene Williams, a cat burglar/petty thief who was photographed by security cameras using Gilbert’s bank card and in one driving her car, when he was arrested he had her watch and a two pairs of handcuffs in his possession. Despite the papers saying the Trias’ were not bound both were handcuffed. He admitted to having robbed them and forced them to give him the PIN numbers of the bank cards. He denied entering the house but was placed there by DNA and a shoe print. Additionally he had plead guilty to a previous break-in and was a suspect in various others but no cases of robbing people or stealing cars from public place were mentioned in media reports

The closest any newspapers came to saying the police thought it was “a Professional hit” were two articles which said the police considered the possibility but concluded the motive was burglary or thought the latter more likely. A May 18 article in The Capital, an Annapolis newspaper entitled “Mystery surrounds lawyers' murders” reported the following:

Although police still consider robbery the motive in the slayings of wealthy attorneys Jose Enrique Trias, 49, and Julie Noel Gilbert, 48, the circumstances of the crime raise many questions.

The killer or killers didn’t break into the home at 1624 Winchester Road, police said. Neither victim was bound, and there was no evidence of a sexual assault.

And unlike most burglaries or robberies, the house was not ransacked.

And detectives have been unable to determine what, if anything, is missing from the house near Winchester on the Severn, said Officer Randy Bell, a county police spokesman. As a result, police are wondering if Mr. Trias and Ms, Gilbert were victims of an execution-style killing.

“I’m sure that’s one of the many, many options that has run through (detectives’) heads,” Officer Bell said.

From THE YEAR IN CRIME; Few Big Cases End in Clean Getaways, a December 29 review of notable crimes in 1994 in the Washington Post:

A pair of influential Washington tax lawyers were found shot to death execution-style in May at their $725,000 weekend retreat in Anne Arundel County.

Although the slayings of Jose Trias, 49, and his wife, Julie Gilbert, 48, seemed like a professional hit, police said they were prompted by a simple burglary. When investigators released pictures of a man who used Trias's bank card at an automated teller machine, an Anne Arundel detective recognized him as Scotland E. Williams, 31, a suspect in a string of cat burglaries the previous fall.

So an honest accounting of what happened would have indicated that though the police said the murders bore traces of a professional hit they quickly concluded they were the result of a simple burglary and quickly identified arrested a suspect who is currently serving life with out parole for killing the couple.

6)? “In 1994, Jose Trias met with a friend in Houston, Texas …”

None of the news articles about the murder mention him having been to Houston or even having left town. It is unlikely he would have travelled during the work week if he did not want to attract attention at the HHMI. Since “neighbors said Mr. Trias arrived at the home about 3 p.m. May 14” he would hardly have been time for a trip on the Saturday. In theory he could have flown out on the Friday after work and returned the next day but that begs the question if he and his wife were killed to shut him up why didn’t they kill the friend in Houston as well? If the friend were killed why isn’t he (or she) cited?

Richard Gage’s structural engineers

I decided to look over the credentials and statements of the structural engineers (SEs), in AE911T. There are only 30, 19 in the US and 11 in Canada, Australia and Western Europe. Anders Björkman who used to claim to be an SE is now more accurately classified as a “Naval architect & Marine engineer”

Two to four seem to not really be SE’s. Charles Pegelow is no longer listed as a structural engineer and his now expired license was for civil engineering. Apparently Rich Reed recently earned his BS, is unlicensed and left his bio (and statement) blank. Albert Arey from Chicago is listed as being “Degreed and Licensed” and “Verified” but he is in the “Other Supporters and A&E Students” group, did not provide a license number and is NOT licensed in Illinois. He claims to have a degree from Ecole Centrale Lyon, which only gives degrees in general engineering, so he might be licensed in France. Other than his education his bio gave no indication what experience, if any, he has. The only work experience William H. Russell “Architect, Structural Engineer”, of Atlanta mentioned was as an architecture professor 1973 – 2006 but failed to disclose were he taught from 1979 onward. He claims to have earned his BA in architecture and MS in architectural engineering at the University of Illinois, Urbana and to have been an “Asst Professor” there 1973 -77. He also claims to be the holder of RArch#3454(GA) and “S.Eng#4161(IL,inactive)” both issued in 1977 but a he did not turn up in the IL or GA engineers databases*, the latter of which lists inactive licensees and used 9-digit numbers and like most states neither IL nor GA issues licenses for specific types of engineers so there is no way he could have earned a “Structural Engineering Registration” in either state in 1977 or any other year. Also it is hard to believe one of the prestigious architecture programs in the US would hire an unlicensed architect as an assistant professor which is a tenure track position.

Despite truthers using the excuse that they sign up so few engineers because many are afraid of being ostracized, marginalized, fired or otherwise persecuted with the exception of a guy who moved from Belgrade to London in 1989 AE911T does not have any SEs from Moslem, Communist, formerly Communist or anti-US countries (unless you count France).

Only 14 of them claimed to have experience with buildings and only one, Steven Merritt, cited tall buildings. Paul A. Thomas claims to have designed “concrete & steel structures to 240 ft. height” but worked mostly for “Mining & Industrial clients”.

Surprisingly only 3 mentioned NIST but only one or two seem to have read the report. The aforementioned Mr. Arey from Chicago simply said “The collapse was too neat to be ascribed to the official story and what was described in NIST report. A new investigation is warranted”, so I doubt he actually read it. His inability to spell out from an engineering perspective why he thinks the towers were CDed is yet another reason to doubt he really is an SE.

Bill Boggia and Ronald H. Brookman critiqued the NIST report in ways that suggest they actually read it (or at least articles by truthers who had). Boggia’s experience however is with offshore platforms. Brookman claims to have “over 21 years experience in structural analysis, design, evaluation and rehabilitation of buildings in northern California” but makes no mention of what types of buildings. Other than forums and truther sites the only mention of an engineer named Ronald, Ronald H. or Ronald Herman Brookman was the California Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors.

However like the others neither Boggia nor Brookman not Merrit nor Thomas have written a technical critique of the NIST report including calculations showing (or attempting to show) that it was flawed let alone gotten anything published in an engineering journal

To save space in the chart below I edited down most of their bios and statements, substituted numbers with numerals and used the following abbreviations: ME mechanical Engineer, CE civil engineer, BSe Bachelor Sci. Eng. (general engineering or field not specified), CD controlled demolition, BLD building, FF free fall, FTP footprint. All mentions of the NIST report and experience with buildings were included.

Name	Loca tion	Deg ree	Lice nse	Experience	Statement
William H. Russell,	GA	MS AE	??	Architecture professor 1977 - 2006	“too much information missing and misinformation included”
Alfred Lee Lopez	MI	BS AE	yes	“48 years…all types of BLDs”	“I agree the fire did not cause the collapse of the 3 BLDs”
Antonio Arthay	FL	MS SE	SE BC	“15+ years of experience in BLD design”	“Fire and impact were insignificant in all 3 BLDs. Impossible for the three to collapse at free-fall speed.”
Charles N. Pegelow	CA	BS CE	CE exp	Offshore oil platforms	No AE911 statement previously critiqued the ASCE report but not NIST’s. Has gone on record saying he believes the towers well felled with “mini-nukes”
David Topete	CA	BS CE	CE SE	“residential, commercial and light manufacturing facilities”	“I am curious to … how [WTC7] collapsed, while no other adjacent structures suffered such fate.”
Dennis J. Kollar	MI	BS CE- SE	exp	“structural design of residential, commercial, industrial, and institutional structures”	“the most convincing aspect that the 911 collapse was a CD is the recorded explosions on the 9/11 Eyewitness DVD”
Edward E. Knesl	AZ	MS CE SE	CE SE	“35 years of experience domestic and overseas in commercial and transportation projects”	“Any tall structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side…We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise BLD to disintegrate internally faster than the FF of the debris coming down from the top”
John Charles Lewelling	TX CO	BS AE	CE SE	“35 years…hospital, office, retail, storage, industrial, airports(s)…public assembly,[schools]”	X
Kamal S. Obeid	CA	MS CE	CE SE	“Consulting structural engineer specializing in BLD and other structures design and retrofit.”	“Only recently have I begun to examine the structural collapse of the BLDs. Photos of the steel, evidence about how the BLDs collapsed,”
Lester Jay Germanio	TX	BS CE	SE	“5 years experience as bridge designer and self employed as design build contractor and SE for 20 years”	“I…have watched numerous video and films of the collapse since that time. It is and has been my opinion that the most probable cause of the WTC BLDs was CD.”
Marshall Casey Pfeiffer	CA	BS CE	CE SE	“SE in CA for 12 years designing Earthquake resistant BLDs.”	WTC BLD 1, 2, and 7 collapsed due to controlled demolitions, please investigate
Nathan S. Lomba	ID CA	BS CE	CE SE	“39 years…custom residential to heavy industrial structures …project for the USAF…Pulp Machine BLD…Natural-gas fired power plant”	How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading?
Paul A. Thomas	AZ	MS Arch SE	yes	“Designed concrete & steel structures to 240 ft. height ” “Mining & Industrial clients. Design concrete & steel structures, foundations”	The 2 towers, as they collapse, appear to be a CD event rather that a "pancake" type failure…molten steel found in the wreckage of the BLDs
Ronald H. Brookman	CA	BS MS	CE SE	“21 years experience in structural analysis, design, evaluation and rehabilitation of BLDs”	“NIST, FEMA and the 9/11 Com. have all fallen short of a detailed accounting of the catastrophic collapses”
Steven F. Dusterwald	NV	BS CE	yes	“Structural analysis and design…of BLDs and other structures”	“There was not enough energy delivered to the BLDs by the impacting aircraft to destroy all the structural materials.”
Steven Merritt	CA	MS SE	CE	“I have designed steel high rise BLDs for the past 8 years.”	“There seem to be a lot of unanswered ?s and it would serve the greater good to re-open the investigation.”
Albert Arey	IL	BSe	?	????	“The collapse was too neat to be ascribed to the official story and what was described in NIST report”
Peter I. Staker	AL	BS	No	“degree in SE…worked as an Engineer for 40 years”	X
Foreign SE’s in AE911T
Rich Reed	CA	BS	No	???	X
Bill Boggia	UK	BS ME	ME CE	offshore oil, gas, wind, wave and tidal energy projects.	“NIST structural simulations - are not…to final collapse and the failure mechanisms seem to have been manually adjusted…The pulling forces on the perimeter columns by the sagging floors were adjusted”
Bill Genitsaris	Aust.	BSe	yes	“structural engineer in the residential and commercial fields.” “demolition”	“If the pancake theory is correct, then as each floor truss disconnects from the columns…the columns should have remained in 1 complete length (ie over 100m long)”
Cyrille Houdebine	Frnce	MS	yes	“working as a SE in a subsidiary of the group SNC-Lavalin in Nice”	“The crash…caused the destruction of several columns …could have created a phenomenon of buckling in chain…it is impossible that this happen at the speed of a FF approximately”
Robert T. Mote	Can	PhD	yes	“Special interest in dynamic and explosion behaviour of structural elements and foundations”	“I could never understand the 'convenient' vertical collapse at the base due to an extreme event at height. I was most concerned by the 3rd tower collapse”
Erwin De Jong	Neth	MS	no	“offshore (steel structure) and aerospace engineering”	“it is not explainable that a steel structure sinks down into its own FTP with obviously no resistance"
Graham John Inman	UK	Yes	yes	“Member Institute of CEs Member Institute of SEs”	“WTC 7 BLD could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris…the fire..was small & localized”
John Watt	UK	BS	yes	“steel framed, masonry and timber BLD designs”	“very serious ?s to be asked about how 3 robust steel framed BLDs collapsed into their own FTPs…WTC7 not struck by an aircraft…relatively minor fire”
Paul W. Mason	Aust	BSe	yes	“35 years experience designing, constructing and maintaining major structures for state government agency”	“It is simply not physically possible for a structure to collapse at near-FF speed and, at the same time, pulverize all of its concrete and steel into tiny fragments”
Jason Mewis	Can	BSe	yes	“President and Senior SE w/ Engcomp for the past 27 years” Mostly industrial	“the official story of how the WTC collapsed doesn't make any sense from an engineers perspective”
Miroslav Kurkic	UK	BS	yes	“Consulting Engineer working in the UK since 1989”	“Convinced that the BLDs are demolished in controlled manner. As a SE it is so obvious to me.”
Richard P. Hall	UK	BS	No	“25 years experience in construction and structural design"	“There is no doubt the 3 BLDs were taken down by CD. To believe otherwise is to be willfully ignorant of the overwhelming evidence”

* There’s a William J. Russell, also inactive in IL database residing in Murphysboro 4 hours from Urbana who like everyone else in it has a 9 digit number. There was no match for engineer’s license # 4161. There is a William H. Russell in GA engineer’s database but his license was issued in 1958, is # 4176 and shows an address in Mcdonough 40 miles from Atlanta the city listed in architect’s license.

Sources:

AE911Truth petition page

http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Engineer License Lookup

http://www.engineersguideusa.com/engineer_license_lookup.htm

Ecole Centrale Lyon engineering program English homepage

http://www.ec-lyon.fr/76957584/1/fiche___pagelibre/&RH=Programs