The Lies (and misconceptions) of the "'truth' movement"

Intro (scroll down for entries)

I readily admit that I have no doubts that most members of the “truth movement” sincerely believe all the nonsense that they spout. I even think that most of the “leaders” of the movement, the ones who run the sites and write the books make the videos etc believe all of what they purport. However far too many of them present the facts in a less than honest fashion: quotes are taken out of context, contrary information omitted, rumors are reported as fact etc, others are too blinded by their preconceived notions to see the fallacies of their theories. I did want a blog title that would garner attention and ‘The Misconceptions of the Truth Movement’ just wouldn’t have the same ring to it.

I will address specific errors made by leading “truthers” in this blog and will erase any generic replies that have nothing to do with the entry topic. In other words if the entry is about Amanda Keller contradicting herself replies going on about the debris from flight 93 or Silverstein’s “pull it" comment etc. etc. will be deleted. Personal attacks and insults whether directed at me or other commenters, whether made by “truthers” or “debunkers” will be deleted as well.

Sunday, October 24, 2010

Richard Gage’s structural engineers

I decided to look over the credentials and statements of the structural engineers (SEs), in AE911T. There are only 30, 19 in the US and 11 in Canada, Australia and Western Europe. Anders Björkman who used to claim to be an SE is now more accurately classified as a “Naval architect & Marine engineer”

Two to four seem to not really be SE’s. Charles Pegelow is no longer listed as a structural engineer and his now expired license was for civil engineering. Apparently Rich Reed recently earned his BS, is unlicensed and left his bio (and statement) blank. Albert Arey from Chicago is listed as being “Degreed and Licensed” and “Verified” but he is in the “Other Supporters and A&E Students” group, did not provide a license number and is NOT licensed in Illinois. He claims to have a degree from Ecole Centrale Lyon, which only gives degrees in general engineering, so he might be licensed in France. Other than his education his bio gave no indication what experience, if any, he has. The only work experience William H. Russell “Architect, Structural Engineer”, of Atlanta mentioned was as an architecture professor 1973 – 2006 but failed to disclose were he taught from 1979 onward. He claims to have earned his BA in architecture and MS in architectural engineering at the University of Illinois, Urbana and to have been an “Asst Professor” there 1973 -77. He also claims to be the holder of RArch#3454(GA) and “S.Eng#4161(IL,inactive)” both issued in 1977 but a he did not turn up in the IL or GA engineers databases*, the latter of which lists inactive licensees and used 9-digit numbers and like most states neither IL nor GA issues licenses for specific types of engineers so there is no way he could have earned a “Structural Engineering Registration” in either state in 1977 or any other year. Also it is hard to believe one of the prestigious architecture programs in the US would hire an unlicensed architect as an assistant professor which is a tenure track position.

Despite truthers using the excuse that they sign up so few engineers because many are afraid of being ostracized, marginalized, fired or otherwise persecuted with the exception of a guy who moved from Belgrade to London in 1989 AE911T does not have any SEs from Moslem, Communist, formerly Communist or anti-US countries (unless you count France).

Only 14 of them claimed to have experience with buildings and only one, Steven Merritt, cited tall buildings. Paul A. Thomas claims to have designed “concrete & steel structures to 240 ft. height” but worked mostly for “Mining & Industrial clients”.

Surprisingly only 3 mentioned NIST but only one or two seem to have read the report. The aforementioned Mr. Arey from Chicago simply said “The collapse was too neat to be ascribed to the official story and what was described in NIST report. A new investigation is warranted”, so I doubt he actually read it. His inability to spell out from an engineering perspective why he thinks the towers were CDed is yet another reason to doubt he really is an SE.

Bill Boggia and Ronald H. Brookman critiqued the NIST report in ways that suggest they actually read it (or at least articles by truthers who had). Boggia’s experience however is with offshore platforms. Brookman claims to have “over 21 years experience in structural analysis, design, evaluation and rehabilitation of buildings in northern California” but makes no mention of what types of buildings. Other than forums and truther sites the only mention of an engineer named Ronald, Ronald H. or Ronald Herman Brookman was the California Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors.

However like the others neither Boggia nor Brookman not Merrit nor Thomas have written a technical critique of the NIST report including calculations showing (or attempting to show) that it was flawed let alone gotten anything published in an engineering journal

To save space in the chart below I edited down most of their bios and statements, substituted numbers with numerals and used the following abbreviations: ME mechanical Engineer, CE civil engineer, BSe Bachelor Sci. Eng. (general engineering or field not specified), CD controlled demolition, BLD building, FF free fall, FTP footprint. All mentions of the NIST report and experience with buildings were included.

Name

Loca

tion

Deg

ree

Lice

nse

Experience

Statement

William H. Russell,

GA

MS

AE

??

Architecture professor 1977 - 2006

“too much information missing and misinformation included”

Alfred Lee Lopez

MI

BS

AE

yes

“48 years…all types of BLDs”

“I agree the fire did not cause the collapse of the 3 BLDs”

Antonio Arthay

FL

MS

SE

SE

BC

“15+ years of experience in BLD design”

“Fire and impact were insignificant in all 3 BLDs. Impossible for the three to collapse at free-fall speed.”

Charles N. Pegelow

CA

BS

CE

CE

exp

Offshore oil platforms

No AE911 statement previously critiqued the ASCE report but not NIST’s. Has gone on record saying he believes the towers well felled with “mini-nukes”

David Topete

CA

BS

CE

CE

SE

“residential, commercial and light manufacturing facilities”

“I am curious to … how [WTC7] collapsed, while no other adjacent structures suffered such fate.”

Dennis J. Kollar

MI

BS

CE-

SE

exp

“structural design of residential, commercial, industrial, and institutional structures”

“the most convincing aspect that the 911 collapse was a CD is the recorded explosions on the 9/11 Eyewitness DVD”

Edward E. Knesl

AZ

MS

CE

SE

CE

SE

“35 years of experience domestic and overseas in commercial and transportation projects”

“Any tall structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side…We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise BLD to disintegrate internally faster than the FF of the debris coming down from the top”

John Charles Lewelling

TX

CO

BS

AE

CE

SE

“35 years…hospital, office, retail, storage, industrial, airports(s)…public assembly,[schools]”

X

Kamal S. Obeid

CA

MS

CE

CE

SE

“Consulting structural engineer specializing in BLD and other structures design and retrofit.”

“Only recently have I begun to examine the structural collapse of the BLDs. Photos of the steel, evidence about how the BLDs collapsed,”

Lester Jay Germanio

TX

BS

CE

SE

“5 years experience as bridge designer and self employed as design build contractor and SE for 20 years”

I…have watched numerous video and films of the collapse since that time. It is and has been my opinion that the most probable cause of the WTC BLDs was CD.”

Marshall Casey Pfeiffer

CA

BS

CE

CE

SE

“SE in CA for 12 years designing Earthquake resistant BLDs.”

WTC BLD 1, 2, and 7 collapsed due to controlled demolitions, please investigate

Nathan S. Lomba

ID

CA

BS

CE

CE

SE

“39 years…custom residential to heavy industrial structures …project for the USAF…Pulp Machine BLD…Natural-gas fired power plant”

How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading?

Paul A. Thomas

AZ

MS

Arch

SE

yes

“Designed concrete & steel structures to 240 ft. height

” “Mining & Industrial clients. Design concrete & steel structures, foundations”

The 2 towers, as they collapse, appear to be a CD event rather that a "pancake" type failure…molten steel found in the wreckage of the BLDs

Ronald H. Brookman

CA

BS

MS

CE

SE

“21 years experience in structural analysis, design, evaluation and rehabilitation of BLDs”

“NIST, FEMA and the 9/11 Com. have all fallen short of a detailed accounting of the catastrophic collapses”

Steven F. Dusterwald

NV

BS

CE

yes

“Structural analysis and design…of BLDs and other structures”

“There was not enough energy delivered to the BLDs by the impacting aircraft to destroy all the structural materials.”

Steven Merritt

CA

MS

SE

CE

“I have designed steel high rise BLDs for the past 8 years.”

“There seem to be a lot of unanswered ?s and it would serve the greater good to re-open the investigation.”

Albert Arey

IL

BSe

?

????

“The collapse was too neat to be ascribed to the official story and what was described in NIST report”

Peter I. Staker

AL

BS

No

“degree in SE…worked as an Engineer for 40 years”

X

Foreign SE’s in AE911T

Rich Reed

CA

BS

No

???

X

Bill Boggia

UK

BS ME

ME

CE

offshore oil, gas, wind, wave and tidal energy projects.

“NIST structural simulations - are not…to final collapse and the failure mechanisms seem to have been manually adjusted…The pulling forces on the perimeter columns by the sagging floors were adjusted”

Bill Genitsaris

Aust.

BSe

yes

“structural engineer in the residential and commercial fields.” “demolition”

“If the pancake theory is correct, then as each floor truss disconnects from the columns…the columns should have remained in 1 complete length (ie over 100m long)”

Cyrille Houdebine

Frnce

MS

yes

“working as a SE in a subsidiary of the group SNC-Lavalin in Nice”

“The crash…caused the destruction of several columns …could have created a phenomenon of buckling in chain…it is impossible that this happen at the speed of a FF approximately”

Robert T. Mote

Can

PhD

yes

“Special interest in dynamic and explosion behaviour of structural elements and foundations”

“I could never understand the 'convenient' vertical collapse at the base due to an extreme event at height. I was most concerned by the 3rd tower collapse”

Erwin De Jong

Neth

MS

no

“offshore (steel structure) and aerospace engineering”

“it is not explainable that a steel structure sinks down into its own FTP with obviously no resistance"

Graham John Inman

UK

Yes

yes

“Member Institute of CEs
Member Institute of SEs”

“WTC 7 BLD could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris…the fire..was small & localized”

John Watt

UK

BS

yes

“steel framed, masonry and timber BLD designs”

“very serious ?s to be asked about how 3 robust steel framed BLDs collapsed into their own FTPs…WTC7 not struck by an aircraft…relatively minor fire”

Paul W. Mason

Aust

BSe

yes

“35 years experience designing, constructing and maintaining major structures for state government agency”

“It is simply not physically possible for a structure to collapse at near-FF speed and, at the same time, pulverize all of its concrete and steel into tiny fragments”

Jason Mewis

Can

BSe

yes

“President and Senior SE w/ Engcomp for the past 27 years” Mostly industrial

“the official story of how the WTC collapsed doesn't make any sense from an engineers perspective”

Miroslav Kurkic

UK

BS

yes

“Consulting Engineer working in the UK since 1989”

“Convinced that the BLDs are demolished in controlled manner. As a SE it is so obvious to me.”

Richard P. Hall

UK

BS

No

“25 years experience in construction and structural design"

“There is no doubt the 3 BLDs were taken down by CD. To believe otherwise is to be willfully ignorant of the overwhelming evidence”

* There’s a William J. Russell, also inactive in IL database residing in Murphysboro 4 hours from Urbana who like everyone else in it has a 9 digit number. There was no match for engineer’s license # 4161. There is a William H. Russell in GA engineer’s database but his license was issued in 1958, is # 4176 and shows an address in Mcdonough 40 miles from Atlanta the city listed in architect’s license.

Sources:

AE911Truth petition page

http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Engineer License Lookup

http://www.engineersguideusa.com/engineer_license_lookup.htm

Ecole Centrale Lyon engineering program English homepage

http://www.ec-lyon.fr/76957584/1/fiche___pagelibre/&RH=Programs

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

You should get paid for all the work you do to keep America safe from these truthers. Bravo, sir, bravo!

Anonymous said...

I know you will delete this but are you aware that that Osama Bin Laden is left handed? Well in the "confession" tape, he's eating, drinking, gesturing, and writing with his right hand. Plus, the guy looks nothing like any other pictures of Bin Laden. How can you people fall for such an obvious trick?

Anonymous said...

The guy above me is right. I've seen it and I'm not convinced. I have never heard a good explanation for this. What do you have to say about it?

Anonymous said...

9/11 was an inside job! 9/11 was an inside job! Your only proof is a fake blurry video with a guy that says,"Praise be to god" every 5 seconds. 9/11 was an inside job!

Anonymous said...

So what if Gage is a faker? Millions of people around the world know the truth! Who are you to say they are all crackpots?

Anonymous said...

Go to youtube and see the video about 9/11 truthers that died in weird ways after 9/11. Can't provide link, sorry.

Anonymous said...

NANOTHERMITE IS NOT MADE IN CAVES IN AFGHANISTAN! IT WAS FOUND IN WTC DUST! WATCH THE VIDEOS! THERE ARE 100FT JETS OF BLACK SMOKE COMING FROM SOUTH TOWER! THEY LIED TO US! USE COMMON SENSE!

Anonymous said...

The government has staged incidents before to justify military action in other countries (war) such as the gulf of Tonkin incident. This kind of lie leads to massive loss of life on both sides. 9/11 was the new gulf of Tonkin. The new Pearl Harbor. Operation Northwoods proves that your government is willing to consider killing people and lie about it just to invade a country and kill more people.

Anonymous said...

1 month before 9/11, rule that allowed pilots to carry guns in the cockpit was removed without reason. What a coincidence.

Anonymous said...

The last 8 comments were made by the same person (me). Just thought I should tell you that.

Julian V. said...

In a system where anyone has the potential to be in government, eventually phycopaths and sociopaths will have absolute power whether you know it or not. 3,000 deaths is nothing compared to the lives lost in the wars. That's what they think of them as: casualties of war.

Anonymous said...

Ah, politics: Where GREED wears the mask of morality.

Anonymous said...

Here's a bit of history regarding our honorable government. Hawaii was overthrown by the U.S. Government while Hawaii was a recognized neutral, sovereign nation. A few, greedy anglo Hawaiian citizens ,Dole and Thurston, wanted to eliminate levies between Hawaii & the U.S. and also wanted to enjoy the liberties of the U.S. They approached a U.S. general who was aware of the strategic location of the Islands, especially during the military engagements of the Spanish-American War in the Pacific. Guam and the Philippines were taken from the Spanish eventually. The overthrow of Hawaii was crucial in the U.S.'s strategic plans. And although it is now known what the U.S. has done, do you think they are going to give back Hawaii to it's people? It won't. Hawaii is the location of the U.S.s Pacific Command. This bit of fact is not proof for allegations that the U.S. was involved in the 9/11 attacks. It is meant to get yo to think about your possible hidden presupposition that the U.S. is the honorable, defender of the weak. The U.S. is a proactive defender of the U.S. and all it's ideals, namely capitalism. It just uses the guise of defending weaker nations so it can proselytize it's capitalistic ideals to them. It's a betrayal with a kiss. Don't get me wrong, I love this country, but I'm not naive to think it's sole agenda is justice, peace, honor, and integrity.

Jack Lowry said...

It's nice to see someone logical and skeptical write a decent article about this. People without at least a passing background in Engineering or Architecture (or for that fact Math) really have no use commenting on these facts.
Thank you for a concise article. I'm sure you don't hear that enoug.

Anonymous said...

Echoing the guy above me, thanks again for doing due dilligence of looking up credentials. That kind of thing is underappreciated in the media/bloggers lately. Simple physics proves that the towers didnt fall at free fall speed. There is enough independent verified video of enough angles to make sound judgement on this with several mathematical equations.

Simply put if the truther engineers were serious, they would do as any real engineer would do; they would present their equations and ideas for peer review. 10+ years is more than enough time to present well thought out and formulated formulas about why "9/11 was faked". All I see is off hand and anecdotal evidence and any engineer who bases his career on such things is either a disaster waiting to happen or unemployed for good reason.

casey pfeiffer said...

There is a key principle that needs to be understood. The law of conservation of momentum. All three building collapses defy the law of conservation of momentum, if the official story is to be believed. How can a building 110 stories tall collapse at near free fall acceleration? The buckling collapse of a columns at the affected zone do not explain the complete collapse of the entire building in under 20 seconds. Marshall Casey Pfeiffer

Hubcap Dave said...

Casey,

"Near" free fall speed, is not free fall speed! The simple fact is (and shown in the videos of the collapse) that the main part of the building falls slower than the surrounding debris and dust cloud. That means that the fall of the upper stories was impeded enough to keep it from free fall. What I think you fail to account for is that the potential kinetic energy of the upper floors hitting each floor below it is massively higher than each floor can withstand!

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Anonymous said...

http://leostokes.wix.com/dustification-hints

Anonymous said...

911 truth is a movement based on ignorance. If you believe in 911 truth you can't think for yourself, and you are with great company like the Boston Bombers who agree with 911 truth.

Anonymous said...

If a fire caused by planes can bring down two towers, and cause a fire which brings down a third building in sympathy, we need to be worried, not about terrorists, but about our engineers. Why aren't buildings falling down all around the world on a regular basis, whenever there is a fire?

Anonymous said...

its almost free fall, we're talking a second difference.

how do you propose each column, on every floor, blew out at exactly the same time, in order to achieve the symmetrical collapse in all three buildings?

how do you explain the molten lava

how do you explain firefighters, police and others saying there were explosions, detinations, countdowns etc etc

shall i continue?

Darian Counts said...

I find myself wondering ...How did Osama know to attack while we were in the middle of a military excersize? How did a plane 40 feet wide make 16-20 ft hole in the Pentagon?

Tiago Cunha said...

I'm also an engineer. But that really does't matter, because any guy that can think using his own head (not the head of others), knows by instint that a fire does not brings down a building like that (WTC7)...

Mark Ferran BSEE said...
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Mark Ferran BSEE said...

So true. American 911 truthers are idiot-cult members, unable or unwilling to use logic and reason to disprove the false claims of their gurus. Muslim 911Truthers are motivated, by religious bias, and they are extremely dangerous because their reLigon is a religion of force and violence.

Mark Ferran BSEE said...

Uneven Fire warps steel. Fire insulation on steel protects steel from fire. Some buildings use concrete which better protects steel from fire. Airplane strikes remove fire insulation, which makes steel framed towers vulnerable to thermal expansion and failure.

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casey pfeiffer said...

when a car run full steam into a semi-truck what happens? Does the semi truck vaporize due to the momentum of the car. The strength of the building below the injured section of the building (ie top third) is two and three times stronger than the top floor. Another big thing about a building that size: when the building is that tall and skinny, it has to be over designed on a strength level well past the demand to have a system that is stiff enough to resist movement due to heavy wind loads. I hear from this article that the number one complaint (also mentioned by Norm Chomsky) is the desire to see a peer - reviewed paper written refuting the NIST report. that is a good comment, and sorry it has not been done yet. obviously NIST is correct because it is the first one to write a report. if it is not properly refuted, then the correct conclusion from those who are not experts in the field should take the NIST report as the best possible explanation. Maybe one day someone will fill out your request properly so that the information can be as acceptable as an authority figure like NIST. Until then ignore all of the other facts that have surfaced until a peer review white paper can be written.