The Lies (and misconceptions) of the "'truth' movement"

Intro (scroll down for entries)

I readily admit that I have no doubts that most members of the “truth movement” sincerely believe all the nonsense that they spout. I even think that most of the “leaders” of the movement, the ones who run the sites and write the books make the videos etc believe all of what they purport. However far too many of them present the facts in a less than honest fashion: quotes are taken out of context, contrary information omitted, rumors are reported as fact etc, others are too blinded by their preconceived notions to see the fallacies of their theories. I did want a blog title that would garner attention and ‘The Misconceptions of the Truth Movement’ just wouldn’t have the same ring to it.

I will address specific errors made by leading “truthers” in this blog and will erase any generic replies that have nothing to do with the entry topic. In other words if the entry is about Amanda Keller contradicting herself replies going on about the debris from flight 93 or Silverstein’s “pull it" comment etc. etc. will be deleted. Personal attacks and insults whether directed at me or other commenters, whether made by “truthers” or “debunkers” will be deleted as well.

Tuesday, November 2, 2010

Gordon Duff another truther whack-a-loon and coward

Gordon Duff a truther blogger who thinks he is a journalist but makes little effort to hide his anti-Semitism claimed in a recent post on his site Veterans Today that Israel was behind the package bombs from Yemen . Typically he provided close to zero citations and when he did they didn't back his claims. Referring to the "crotch bomber" he wrote:

Worse still, the “terrorists” father, described by the press as a “Muslim banker” turned out to be a partner in an Israeli managed defense company and a close friend of the CIA

He provided no citations but did in an earlier post

We do know a couple of things. Dad, back in Nigeria, ran the national arms industry (DICON) in partnership with Israel, in particular, the Mossad. He was in daily contact with them. They run everything in Nigeria, from arms production to counter-terrorism. Though Islamic, Muttalab was a close associate of Israel

According to the first embedded link

He started his working career in 1965 as a Management Accountant with Fuller Jenks Beecroft & Co in London.

He also served as Chief Accountant/Acting General Manager, Defence Industries Corporation in Kaduna. He was also the Financial Controller of the company.

He rose to become the General Manager, New Nigeria Development Company Limited (NNDC) from 1968 to 1975.

The article never said he "ran" the company or that it was "the national arms industry". According to this article it only produced ammunition at the time. Since he was only 25 - 28 I doubt he held such a powerful position.

Here is the 2nd linked article in its entirety:

Nigeria: Lawmakers Divided Over Mossad - FG Link

Tashikalmah Hallah and Francis Okeke 5 September 2008

Members of the National Assembly have expressed different opinions on the alleged invitation of Israeli intelligence agency to train the country's security operations under a secret security pact.

Former Chairman House of Representatives Committee on National Security and Intelligence, Rep Abdullahi Farouk (PDP, Kebbi State), said Nigeria does not need Mossad or any foreign intelligence organisation to train the country's security agents because Nigeria has the best security training institution in the country.

Note that:

· this was 40 years after Mutallab left DICON

· Neither he nor the company were mentioned

· The proposal was described as an "alleged invitation"

· It did not sound like it would be approved

· There was no mention of any actual collaboration between Nigeria and the Mossad.

I posted the above to Duff's website except I removed the parts about him being a loon, pseudo journalist and anti-Semite and changed it to 2nd person. I was very polite I even addressed him as "Mr. Duff". He replied

Academics use citations. Journalist use sources. If you have sources, tell me what year I began advising the government of Nigeria in areas of security? My experience with all you discuss is personal and first hand.

According to his bio on his site:

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic officer of UN humanitarian groups. Gordon Duff's articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest.

So I replied:

Well if what you claim were true why didn’t you cite your “personal and first hand” knowledge of what you wrote about rather than articles that did NOT support you claims? Fill us in prey tell on your supposed experience “advising the government of Nigeria in areas of security”, when and for whom did you work? Did this experience give you direct knowledge of Mutallab running “the national arms industry (DICON) in partnership with Israel, in particular, the Mossad”? If he ran the company after 1968 why did the article indicate otherwise? On and now that we are on the subject of you bio, care to provide any specifics? Dates, locations, units and ranks for the USMC, companies/organizations, locations and dates for your post military career.

He then deleted my replies, so I posted them again, he then deleted my posts again and his responses to them but not before I got a screen print (see below). Funny how truthers who complain about being shut out by the "MSM" shut dissenting voices out of their blogs, forums and websites, but it seems what really bothered him was my questioning his claimed credentials. So I imagine that much of his bio is Walter Mitty, the part about him being “regularly on TV and radio” is a bit of an exaggeration unless you count internet radio and public access cable. I only found two TV appearances on Google Video one was on kook friendly Russia Today and the other was on a station in Pakistan and I didn’t find any radio interviews from broadcast radio.


tim said...

Nice fisking :)

Anonymous said...

shut the fuck up len
hows that for fun

Len said...

Anonymous Coward said...
shut the fuck up len
hows that for fun

November 3, 2010 8:23 PM

A typically articulate truther, is that you Duff?

John Friend said...

Speaking the truth about Jewish power is anti-Semetic? You really need to do some research my friend. Israel did 9/11. It's undeniable. If you are not fighting for this truth you are truly a traitor to this country.

EditorJP said...

"Israel did 9/11. It's undeniable."

You're a certified lunatic or you are in the pay of Al Queda.

ONLY A JACKASS or a scum -sucking liar says AQ didn't do 9/11.

I WAS HERE IN NYC on 9/11, I lost a friend on 9/11, and you are a scum sucking ahole diverting attention from the jihadi hordes who have been at war with the Judeo-Christian West for their ENTIRE EXISTENCE.

I hope you have a nice barbed wire tattoo on your neck, cause when your jihadi friends are done with you after they realize what an asshole fool you make of yourself,, it will give them a cleaner cut to dispose of you as you won't be a useful infidel anymore, but a USELESS IDIOT.

Anonymous said...

It is good to see that Gordon Duff is telling the truth about these Zionist who have bankrupted the United States. I know they feel they are in control but when the financial institutions of America collapse, the Zionist will not be able to buy a rock to hide under. The sad truth is there are so many honest good Jews who will suffer because of these blood thirsty Zionist. Gordon is telling the truth and this author knows that he is telling the truth.

Anonymous said...

It's disconcerting to witness the celebration of ignorance that abounds on the internet, and this site is no different. Most claims put forward are without solid foundations, yet people build upon them as though their suppositions were infallible.

Searching for objective, researchable truth, I chanced upon this site, only to find more poorly written claims, and statements such as the following:

"Since he was only 25 - 28 I doubt he held such a powerful position."

Additionally, cast aside preconceived notions, and read some of the comments written here; it's as though the lunatics were running the asylum.

It seems that folks choose a position based upon what they feel in their gut, or that which satisfies them emotionally, and then they defend themselves with great passion instead of hard facts.

Since the vast majority are without firsthand knowledge of the issues being discussed here, we depend upon what we deem "reliable sources" for information. That said, how can such sources be found when so many have axes to grind? Will the American public ever be able to discover the actual truth about ANY important issues?

I suppose the only conclusion I can share with you is more of an observation: CONSIDER THE SOURCE before you buy stock in anything.